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February 24, 2006
May the circle be unbroken.
A reader recently asked for some information on knitting in the round. With all the emotional binge-purge going on around this here website, knitting in the round seems like a perfect topic to cap off a week of budgeting, reviling 80s fashion, daydreaming about music, bad poetry, technology gone wrong, then right, and generally surprising myself with what appears to be some repressed anger at a certain ex-husband. What could possibly be next besides knitting? Really!
I love knitting in the round because you can get perfect, pretty stockinette stitches with just the knit stitch. Yes, you can. I would not lie to you. And I love it because I can do it while hanging out with my friend Tivo without messing up (much). Just knit, knit, knit! Plus, the cats aren't sitting around ready to pounce on the ends of circular needles like they do with straight needles.
To knit in the round, you need to have a set of double-pointed needles OR use circular knitting needles. Circulars are the needles that look like midget knitting needles attached to each other by an umbilical cord of plastic, or sometimes the cord is metal.

With circular needles you will see two measurements on the package, one is needle size (for example, a size 10 knitting needle) and the other measurement is inches, telling you the length of the cord that connects your needles. [Correction! The measurement tells you how long the whole circular needle contraption is from tip-to-tip. Thanks Margot!]
Double-pointed needles are like mini javelins, pointed on both sides. The concept is the same for both types of needle. But ya'll. Really. If you're starting a "knit in the round" project for the first time, start with the circulars! So. much. easier.
Let's assume you're going to make a knitted Easy Roll-Brim Hat. In just... uh, 20 simple steps. Heh.
You want to start with circular needles, and you'll change to double points once the hat starts narrowing towards the finish line. You need the shortest length of plastic cord attaching the two midget needles, right? Because hats are not supposed to be 300 inches wide. A 16" needle will be perfect for casting on the brim of your hat.
Cord length is confusing and tricky sometimes, because you may have to switch to longer needles or shorter ones depending on projects you may be knitting, but there's lots of great information on the web about stuff like magic loops and probably gnomes, too. But since I'm a simple girl, with barely the basics for Remedial Knitting 101, I'm sticking with my circular needle for most of the hat and switching to duoble pointed needles (called dpns) when the hat gets smaller. I think it's good practice for using dpns, and I kind of like them, they make me feel like I'm doing Extreme Knitting.
If you use a circular needle whose cord is too long for your project, it can stretch the yarn in wonky ways.
The yarn I'm using for this little photo shoot is Cascade Yarns "Magnum" (hee... Magnum!) in color #9478, a.k.a. "Pepto." It's a super-bulky 100% Peruvian Highland wool and the fine folks at Stitch Cafe wound it up for me into the world's largest yarn cake, which I was apparently dorkified and obsessed about showing ya'll.
The first time I knitted in the round I had all kinds of issues. So of course, this is the perfect place for a list!
1) Is casting on different?
No, not really. You cast on using one of the midgety ends of your circular (ya'll, I am so getting hate mail for using the word "midget" like eleventeen times, whoops!) and just try to be careful when casting on that you do it loosely. Loose women cast on to midget needles! Film footage at ten!

2) How do you join the yarn? What the hell is joining anyway? Where do you place a marker? Does the marker get knitted in?
Ha! My questions exactly! (No, really. These are my own questions.) I really wondered when I first started knitting in the round, does the stitch marker get knitted in? Scary!
But it's not scary really. No, the stitch marker does not get knitted in. And starting is easy. You just cast on your stitches like normal, then when you are all done casting on, you hold the needle with the very first stitch you cast on in your LEFT hand.
The needle with the very last cast-on stitch (and the yarn tail leading to your ball of yarn) goes in your RIGHT hand.
Still with me?
The plastic cord thing should be sticking out away from you, not toward your chest. Look down at all your stitches, make sure they are all nice and even with the knot part hanging down (this is what they mean when they say "make sure your stitches are not twisted). Put a stitch marker on your right-hand needle, just hanging there. It gets scooted from one needle to another on the next round. Finally, stick the right-hand needle tip into that stitch on your left hand needle and knit on. That joins the whole mess.



3) The join looks sloppy, what can I do to make it nicer?
I hope lots of ya'll post answers to this one, because I got some good advice in the past on this -- my joins always look sloppy -- but then my email crashed and everything has been erased prior to like December 21, and so, really. I know ya'll have nicer joins than me. And you want to post here and tell us all how to do it. Right? Carry on!
4) Why does it matter which way the plastic cord thing sticks out?
Glad you asked! (I'm now talking to myself, not a good sign.)
Hold the needles with the plastic cord away from you. If you hold it the other way, with the needles away from you and the cord near your boobage, you'll be knitting inside out. Which I have done many a time. Luckily, it's an easy fix on a hat ... after you knit a few rows, you turn it rightside out. It happens.
5) What do they mean when they say "do not twist your stitches"? Why is this a big deal?
Ah, that damn U.S. Department of They. Always telling us what to do. But the thing is, if your stitches are wrapping around the plastic tube all twisty, your knitted item will be twisty and you will have to rip. It's ugly. Take it from me, A Cautionary Tale.
6) Should I start with any particular brand of circular needle?
I'm about to tell ya'll something that will have me crucified in knitland, but I actually prefer my cheapy bamboo clover circs (see how we go with the knitting lingo? circs? as if I were down with the knitting YO YO) (help me) anyway! focus! I prefer the bamboo needles to the mucho expensivo Addi turbo metal ones. Why? Am I nuts? Perhaps.
You see, I knit on the bus and those Addis are so slippery! Plus, I am a very tight knitter, with my stitches way down on the tips of my needles, and with the Addis the stitches just seem to jump right off every time we hit a pot hole on the freeway. And this is Los Angeles, our entire freeway system is held together with pot holes.
So, hopefully that's just enough to get you over the scary "circular knitting sounds complicated" hump. (I said 'hump' and 'midget' and 'magnum' in this column, so right about now we send out a hearty welcome to all ya'll who are here wondering where the porn is. Hi! No porn! Hope you like yarn!) Knitting in the round is really not that complicated, because I can do it with a cat on my lap and while simultaneously drooling over Sayeed, or Jack, or Sawyer or whoever is available at the time.
Just don't drool on woool. It felts.

Posted by laurie at February 24, 2006 08:37 AM
Comments
I prefer the bamboo needles too. I have a bunch of addis and I'm always dropping stitches when I put them down to deal with a cat/teen/husband/house problem. Getting a set of Denise needles is good if you knit with circulars a lot. I don't like plastic that much but it's a cheap way to have every size needle and length you need on hand. You can always change the length (very carefully!) if you need to go shorter or longer while knitting.
I hope you have a peaceful weekend, Laurie. My kitties (Tommy, Penny, Julie, Stewart, Fiona and Lily) send their love to your kitties!!!
Posted by: Liz R from Virginia at February 24, 2006 08:47 AM
I know you're going to hear this a zillion times after this post, but here it is anyway: PLEASE consider doing a how-to book? Your descriptions and photos are always so much better and more clear than any others ever seen!!
Thanks, Laurie! (And Soba.) :)
Posted by: Feral Dustbunny at February 24, 2006 08:51 AM
Love, love, love your assistant.
Posted by: psychomom at February 24, 2006 08:52 AM
I love Sobo.... what a good helper you have!!!
Posted by: Cheryl at February 24, 2006 08:55 AM
hehehe... my assistant was very, um, cooperative ;) Look at that little face though! So! Cute!
She growled every time I tried to move, so no stitch marker though. That will teach me.
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 08:55 AM
this doesn't look scary at all! (even the cat!) thanks ! :-)
Posted by: townie girl at February 24, 2006 08:55 AM
I to love the bamboo. So much so that I sold off my addis (the two that I had).
Posted by: Mindy at February 24, 2006 08:56 AM
oh and yeah, i see why the color of that yarn is Pepto!
Posted by: townie girl at February 24, 2006 08:56 AM
I still love the addis, depends on the yarn. But my very fave needles are still Lantern Moons, dpn and straights!
thanks for the lesson, Miz Purl. I think your pics are so clear, I'm a gonna send one of my friends here to learn to knit.
Thanks!
Posted by: Mary in Boston at February 24, 2006 08:59 AM
heh, everytime I look at her little face in the pic where I'm knitting the first stitch, it cracks me up. She's like "Human! You are destroying my peace and quiet!"
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 09:02 AM
Ah, yes, do not move, for the lap cat will turn into an angry pile of sharp things! Is a routine I know well.
My joins also look sort of icky, on both dpns and circs. I find that it works itself out in a few rounds. To make that first round look not-so-assy, I usually use the tail of the yarn to sort of pull those first two stitches together a bit when I weave it in. Does that make sense? However, if it doesn't, perhaps someone will have *actual* pretty join advice, instead of "how to hide your assy join" advice.
Posted by: Dawn at February 24, 2006 09:12 AM
I learned to knit in the round from reading a combo of the easy roll brim hat recipe and Stitch N Bitch. Yay! The best advice for joining that I read - probably in the comments here as I think I am now an official stalker - is to cast on an extra stitch at the end of casting on, move it to the left needle, and then knit the first two stitches together for a tighter join. (I hope I am explaining that right). My only question is where do I place the marker - after or before that join?!
Also, I must say to other knitters, I much prefer using two circular needles for small circumference (diameter? I forget) knitting as opposed to the dpns. I can do dpns, and they aren't so bad, but I find that once you understand how to use the two circulars together, it is much less cumbersome and I find I have fewer dropped stitches and mistakes. And it goes faster, and there's less chance of having ladders. I learned how by watching the video on knittinghelp.com (which also rocks).
I just bought the Denise set... I hope I like it! I have never used addis but I already know that me and metal needles would be a disaster.
Posted by: Tina at February 24, 2006 09:13 AM
Oh, that last photo of Soba - priceless!
To join, I always cast on one extra stitch, then knit the last extra stitch together with the first stitch. Very nice. Very smooth. Very simple.
Posted by: Chris at February 24, 2006 09:13 AM
I can't believe that you posted this how to the day I was going to the store to buy my first set of circular needles to start the roll brim hat. What a weird coincidence!
Thanks for all of your tutorials for all of us new kniters.
Posted by: Abby at February 24, 2006 09:16 AM
Hi, Laurie,
One trick for tidying up the join is to: Cast on one extra stitch, knit the first round up to but not including the extra st, place your marker, slip the extra st to the left hand needle, then knit the extra st and first st together. Stitch count is back to normal, and the join is very smooth - trust me on this, once the project is finished and all ends darned in, ask any non-knitter to find the join - can't do it!
Posted by: jeanne at February 24, 2006 09:19 AM
There's always a tiny bit of wonkiness at the join, because you're knitting in a spiral rather than a true circle. When I use circulars, it's usually not too bad, but on dpns the stitches between the needles can get pretty sloppy and result in ugly "ladders." I always try to make sure that I snug up the first couple of stitches on each needle as much as I can to avoid sloppy stitches. Also, if the pattern allows, you can knit the first couple stitches on the new needle onto the old needle, thereby always changing where the gap between the needle lays.
Posted by: Imbrium at February 24, 2006 09:24 AM
Great tutorial CAP - one small correction: the circ length is the length from needle tip to needle tip, not the length of the cord.
Another joining tip: After casting on, but before knitting a stitch, do the following:
1. Move the last cast on stitch from the right needle to the left needle.
2. Move the first cast on stitch to the right-hand needle. So this by using your right hand needle to lift the first cast on stitch over the one you just moved to the left hand needle.
3. Place marker and knit the first stitch on the left-hand needle. The first stitch will be alittle loose from all this maneuvering, but you can tighten it back up by giving the tail a little tug.
This sounds more complicated than casting on an extra stitch and knitting it together with the first stitch, but it's actually easy to do. I think it looks a little bit neater too.
Tina - when using the extra stitch method of minimizing the join, the marker goes on after you place the last stitch on the first needle - your first stitch is your first stitch, if that makes sense.
Posted by: Margot at February 24, 2006 09:29 AM
My method for neater joins is probably not as effective as the other ones mentioned, but very quite simple. I just slip the left stitch onto the right needle, and then pass the last stitch on the right needle over to the left needle. Begin round.
Soba is so funny.
Posted by: mimsie at February 24, 2006 09:33 AM
I knit in the round all the time, on size 0 needles, and for the first row or two the join ALWAYS looks icky. Magically this clears up in a few more rounds...I have no idea why. Gnomes? I have done the "cast on an extra stitch and knit together" deal too, but I don't find it makes that big a difference to deal with it. Just keep on knitting, round and round, and let the gnomes do their thing.
Love the Sobakawa Paw of Death...in fact, I love all your cats and their internal dialogues.
Posted by: Judy at February 24, 2006 09:33 AM
Hey, I bet I know what you're making! Shhhhh.
(Um, if I'm totally off base here and you have no idea what I'm shhhhing about .... chalk it up to me being crazy and have a nice day!)
Posted by: Stephanie at February 24, 2006 09:35 AM
I have always preferred bamboo needles to the metal ones. If you want to get adventurous, check out a nice Fair Isle or Aran pattern as these are usually knit in the round.
Posted by: Dagny at February 24, 2006 09:37 AM
I love the extra cast-on tip for joining a round! I had so much fun making my first hat with my addis, it was all so quick and easy. But I know what you mean about their slipperiness. One of my next projects will be your ribbed hat. My hat didn't have the fancy finish on top that yours does, so that will be a challenge, to use dpns. They seem so scary to me.
xoxo
Posted by: Christine G. at February 24, 2006 09:38 AM
Aww, Soba looks so much like my Tigger (God I miss her). Tortoiseshells really are the best cats.
Posted by: Jess at February 24, 2006 09:40 AM
Your comment about "Loose women casting on!" made me think fondly of my time in Southern California, when I'd watch Lakers games and the ads for the local news always, always featured some sort of underdressed women, whether Laker Girls or Local Girls Gone Wild or Naughty Strip Bars. Ah, LA, I miss you!
And there is no shame in preferring Clover bamboo to Addis! They're both good for different things. And bamboo is better for your hands because it's more flexible. :)
Posted by: Alex at February 24, 2006 09:41 AM
Soba is not only beautiful but helpful. I think she'll make a kind and benevolent Empress of the Universe.
Dawn, Margo Chris, Jeanne, Imbrium and Mimsie used up all my tricks for nicer looking joins.
Posted by: Carrie K at February 24, 2006 09:43 AM
I like the bamboo needles too, mostly, but it depends on the yarn and the project. For magic loops the super-long Addis are nice. (And you're kinda stuck with them if you're gonna do magic loop as bamboo circs don't come that long.)
Either suggestion given above for joining will work. I also like to knit a row or two back and forth before joining. It just makes it easier for some reason.
You should indeed do a book.
Posted by: Lucia at February 24, 2006 09:45 AM
SOBA. SOBA. SOBA.
We are not worthy.
Posted by: MonkeyGurrrrl at February 24, 2006 09:45 AM
Very easy neat join to avoid twisted knitting-
Leave a long tail.
Knit two or three rows in stockinette (Knit one row, purl one row). This gives you some meat to hang on to so you will never twist your knitting.
At the third or fourth row continue around instead of turning your work. Continue knitting in circular.
Weave in the tail to close the gap. You can also use the gap as a stitch marker to tell where you started knitting if you leave it open until the end.
Posted by: Tiffany at February 24, 2006 09:48 AM
Thank you...thank you...thank you for the tutorial on cicular needles. I'm a new knitter (just learned in Jan!) and I've been trying to master using the circulars. I love all your instructions because they're always clear and easy to follow.
Posted by: Janet at February 24, 2006 09:49 AM
I have tried the slip stitches onto the opposite needles trick and I think it works pretty well. Also, I use the tail and the working yarn at the same time to knit the first 3 or so stitches. That will keep your join tight and save you from weaving in the end. Just make sure when you get back around to the beginning on your second round that you don't see both strands and knit into each. That would be bad.
Posted by: Candice at February 24, 2006 09:50 AM
Yay! Thank you, I've been wondering what to do with those circs ever since I bought them months ago. Weekend project!
Posted by: shananigans at February 24, 2006 09:51 AM
Here's one more joining technique (although I use the pass-the-first-stitch-over-the-last, then knit what-was-the-last-stitch-and-is-now-the-first method that other people described above):
It only works well if you're not using too bulky a yarn.
knit the first cast-on stitch with both the tail of the yarn and the working yarn - just hold both yarns together. Maybe the 2nd stitch too, if it looks better. Then just let the tail hang loose and keep working with the rest of the yarn.
I say, use whatever needles you prefer! I find metal DPNs ESPECIALLY annoying and much prefer bamboo or wood. I use circular needles even for flat knitting because I'm such a clutch that I drop needles all the time and you can't drop a circular if you're clutching the yarn.
Posted by: BigAlice at February 24, 2006 09:51 AM
I prefer the bamboo needles too. (Or the hardwoods, like the Brittany birches, they're good.) Metal is too dang slippery for me. And I totally agree with Tiffany's method of nice-neat-joining; that's how I do it, too. And Miss Soba! There could be no evil behind that sweet face! And I sound like such a lemming in this comment, just agreeing with everybody, except...well, others got here first and I think they're right. Ha!
Posted by: Julie at February 24, 2006 09:52 AM
Great tutorial! I like to use bamboo needles too, but not so much because of slippery metal, but because I always have cold hands. Bamboo is "warmer" on my poor hands.
Also a note about the needles being close to your boobs with the cable facing away. It is the best way I would say, but not the only way. I can not knit that way. I knit away from me which of course results in knitting something inside out. Take it from me, it does not matter. Just follow the directions knit to your hearts content, and then when you are done or almost done flip it right side out. I know this works cause I do it all the time. My socks are always knitted inside out, and then at the very end, I flip them to kitchener the toe closed. So far I am the only one I know of that knits inside out though.
Posted by: Donna (squitchinglady) at February 24, 2006 10:01 AM
Thanks Laurie for your tutorials. Sometimes I have to put my knitting aside because I get frustrated, and I had originally started to knit to help me relax. Ugh! Anyway, I have a couple of random questions now that I am de-lurking . . .
*If I only knit hats and scarves am I still a knitter? I have ventured into sweaters but I can't knit a sweater while watching The Office and my Mary Tyler Moore DVDs. It's too darn distracting when I have to increase and decrease.
*Is it bad karma to knit with yarn that an ex-friend gave me? A very good friend of mine gave me some yummy yarn and then "broke up" with me a few months later. I'm making a scarf with it, but I know that if I wear it I'll think of her sadly, and I'm afraid if I give it to a friend the bad luck with spawn. What to do?
Hi to everyone here!
Posted by: Colleen at February 24, 2006 10:01 AM
best way not to have a sloppy join... lets see if I can simply explain this...
basically you are going to line everything up in the circle on the first needle to your left is the cast on tail, on the needle to your right is the last needle of the round.
Take the first stitch cast on using the last needle of the round and pull it over to that needle. then take the last stitch cast on (now the second to last stitch on that needle to the right) and slip it over the stitch you just brought over.
now the number of stitches are all the same as before things are joined and you start the knitting like demonstrated above.
Make any sense??
Posted by: stinkerbell at February 24, 2006 10:05 AM
You are not alone... I don't like addis either. They're not pointy enough for me. (Maybe that's my evil, Soba side showing?)
Posted by: Andrea at February 24, 2006 10:08 AM
I love love love the Magnum. It is fabulous yarn. And it is the perfect yarn for felting.
Posted by: Kristy at February 24, 2006 10:12 AM
Thanks everyone for such good ideas!!
I think Soba has a myspace page. She's been online when I'm not at home, I know it.
Colleen-- answers:
*If I only knit hats and scarves am I still a knitter?
Um-- that's pretty much all I knit! It's what I find enjoyable, portable, and keeps my tiny ADD-like brain happy.
*Is it bad karma to knit with yarn that an ex-friend gave me?
Hmmm. Dilemma. I would knit with it and either A) Give to a coworker you don't love or B) Give to charity? So hard. I wonder... if you felt it or otherwise "alter" the yarn, does it lose its karma/associations?
And Donna-- you are so right! As Annie says, there is no wrong way to knit if you like the results!!
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 10:20 AM
I have figured out the solution to multiple circulars! Denise Interchangeables!
http://www.knitdenise.com/
I am sure many of your readers use them. I had my dad buy them for me (he is the best dad -ever) and they are the only needles I use. (not that I am such a professional knitter or anything).
Posted by: paloma at February 24, 2006 10:27 AM
Colleen,
Knit a fabulous scarf and lovingly give it away. No bad karma will pass on. This gift will still be knit with love and care from you. Who knows...it could even build a new and more lasting friendship.
I think always having the yarn around and not doing anything with it would be worse for me, like the yarn was a challenge I could not take on. But that is just me. ;-)
Posted by: Trixie at February 24, 2006 10:30 AM
that is some pink.
Posted by: miss kendra at February 24, 2006 10:30 AM
So, just to add to the joining situation- I only knit with dpns, call me cheap but I bought a slew of them for super-duper cheap and don't feel like buying circs.
so, how i avoid both icky joins and "ladders" (when the space between two rows of stockinette stitch (stst) is too big because you're switching yarns is this:
on the first join: maybe i'm blasphemous for doing this, but i use the tail of my cast-on, slip it between your first two stitches on your left-hand needle, and tie a knot. yes, indeed, tie a knot. that way, you're all free and clear.
for ladders: when i'm using dpns (which is always...) i always move each needle over a stich every round. i know that makes no sense, so here goes the explain-y part: once you have knit all stiches from your left-hand needle onto your right-hand needle, instead of immediately switching needles, knit one stich from your new left hand needle onto your existing right-hand needle. this effectively moves your needles around in a spiral as you go, and therefore moves which stich is streched a bit by the gap between two needles. hope that made sense.....
Posted by: liz at February 24, 2006 10:30 AM
To make my joins look super sexy, I cast on one extra stitch. Then I knit the first stitch normally and pass the stitch on my right hand needle over it (which would be the last stitch originally cast on). Does that make sense? It's just knit one, pass a stitch over. You end up casting off one stitch to compensate for the extra stitch cast on. It works great, especially for mittens - I've found that if I don't do it, when I weave in that yarn tail it tends to unravel with wear.
Posted by: kate at February 24, 2006 10:48 AM
Thanks Laurie! It's a relief that I'm not the only one who prefers just knitting scarves and hats. I agree, I find them fun, portable, and easy enough for me to multitask: i.e. watch tv and drink and talk on the phone . . . nothing major getting done :0)
Thanks Trixie! I like the idea of passing the new scarf on with love. After all, the old friendship did have a lot of good in it.
Posted by: Colleen at February 24, 2006 10:52 AM
LOVE the Denise Interchangeables and highly recommend them for knitting in the round, though I am pretty rough on them, and snapped TWO of the connector ends OFF while working on my last project. I need to chill!...it is supposed to be fun, right?
Posted by: Shelly at February 24, 2006 10:52 AM
Actual knitting content!
I'm a lifelong knitter and I knit with DPNs all the time - mainly soccs & baby sweater sleeves. I wanted to mention in response to some of the posts above regarding loose or laddery looking stitches at needle intersections - this will all work itself in the wash. Literally. Once you soak your finished item in water all these stitches will magically appear even. Really!
Posted by: rb at February 24, 2006 10:59 AM
In case you like the feel of the Addi cord but also NEED bamboo needles, try Addi Natura. Same cord and join as the turbo with the convenience and pleasure of bamboo. I love the Addi Naturas!
Posted by: Kelly at February 24, 2006 11:22 AM
I am so happy it's Friday. fo reals.
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 11:39 AM
Kelly, do they come in size itty bitty (like 2 or smaller)? That is the dilemma for those of us who actually like tiny yarn and needles: the Addis aren't pointy enough (and you can sharpen bamboo, carefully, but not metal), and the bamboos are not strong enough for the small sizes (bamboo double points in size 2 or smaller break really easily) and not long enough for magic loop.
Posted by: Lucia at February 24, 2006 11:50 AM
mmmmmmmmmSayid.
damn, cheap bamboo circs? Unfair! The only circs you can get here are those horrible coated metal ones. Luckily I have my Denise needles (ordered on the internet) for most situations.
Good on you for all the demon-exorcising you've been doing this week, it's been really inspiring actually.
It's been a week where I have been pondering the question "am I ready for another boyfriend?" but I think the only reason I was actually considering that is I haven't been having a happy week. So the answer is NO WAY! I work hard, so I like my spare time to myself, and it'll take someone very very special to convince me otherwise.
Posted by: Sarah at February 24, 2006 11:57 AM
sarah... I ponder that question myself. I do get lonely... but then, I don't know. I'm not ready. But I sort of am. It's weird.
My (limited) free time is really important to me. But it would be so nice to have someone huggable hugging on me. Have someone look at you *that way*
anyway.
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 12:01 PM
Since we are talking knitting today, I have a question. It's a little off topic. I am about to finish a clapotis for my mama and I have never blocked. This project seems worthy of blocking. But, I only have an iron that steams, not a cool steamer. My iron will only really steam on the vertical. Now, how do I pull this off? Or can I? Yikes!
Posted by: Trixie at February 24, 2006 12:12 PM
Trixie, what kind of yarn did you use in the clapotis? I mean, what kind of fiber content?
I have had EXCELLENT luck blocking stuff without steam... just get a cheapo spray bottle, fill with hot water.
Then pin one end of your shawl on your blocking surface (I use the guest bed covered by a clean sheet) and start spritzing, pinning the whole thing into shape as you go. I used LOTS of pins on my scarf that I blocked this way, but so worth it!
Then, when it's all pinned out, spritz again for good measure. Cover with some towels and let dry.
That's what I would do, anyway :)
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 12:18 PM
Wow! That's easy....are you talking straight pins, like for sewing? And the fiber content is 50% silk and 50% wool. My mama is so lucky!
Posted by: Trixie at February 24, 2006 12:22 PM
I'll bet you couldn't have done all that with Sobakawa's assistance.
Posted by: Martigny at February 24, 2006 12:23 PM
Argh! I meant to say WITHOUT Sobakawa's assistance. How embarrassing.
Posted by: Martigny at February 24, 2006 12:27 PM
Not having the vast wealth for all size and lengths of circulars, I got a set of Denises for Christmas. Although I prefer wood, the plastic isn't that bad. However, you can only go up to size 15. I use Addis for anything larger. If you've ever seen the size 36 ones, they resemble something that should be used for milking a cow with. Soba growls? I guess you're not whistling dixie when you say she's evil. She looks so sweet though. Roy must have been napping during the demo.
Posted by: Miss Wendy at February 24, 2006 12:29 PM
Yes, Soba was the Dictator LOL
Trixie... yeah, I blocked my Noro Transitions that way, it has all those different fiber contents and I didn't have a steamer back then anyway.
So I used regular sewing pins, although people will warn you... make sure they are rustproof, but I haven't ever had a rust problem with the sewing pins I use. Actually, I use the longer quilting pins, which go into the mattress of the bed better.
If you're concerned, though, that your pins are rustproof, maybe do a test on a white washcloth, wet the washcloth, pin it down and see if your sewing pins rust? LOL.
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 12:29 PM
Hey, first of all I LOVE your blog!
Secondly, I noticed you are using super bulky yarn. What kind of pattern are you planning to use for it? I recently found myself buying several pounds of gorgeous super bulky yarn, but I can't find any patterns that I like. Any recommendations?
Posted by: Annie from VA at February 24, 2006 01:13 PM
This may be a dumb question, but how do you do ribbing with circular needles? I'm wondering because I have legwarmers to do and it sounds like circs (YO YO :) ) would be so much faster. I just don't get how the stockinette stitch comes about without purling, and, yah, I always wondered about the marker thing, too!
Love your blog! I'm a groupie now.
Posted by: Kes at February 24, 2006 01:21 PM
I've been knitting almost my entire life, and I'm still able to learn new things from you and your commenters. I agree that you should write a knitting book, cat pictures and all!
Posted by: Kim in CT at February 24, 2006 01:24 PM
Kes, to do ribbing in the round, you simply throw in a few purl stitches in the mix (yo yo!)
So, for my ribbed-brim hat, I cast on 72 stitches. Then I knit four, purl 4 all the way across each round until my brim is as long as I would like it.
Hope that helps!!
Annie -- I wasn't actually making anything with the yarn, just testing it out on my needles. I think I may make a felted bag out of it, or maybe a big, drop-stitch scarf (which will keep it from being *too* bulky to wear.) Or, heck, maybe a kitty pi LOL.
Posted by: laurie at February 24, 2006 01:38 PM
Hahaha! Laurie, you NEED to write a book! It'll be a best seller!
Posted by: Elemmaciltur at February 24, 2006 02:46 PM
Now that I am away from the frustrating and overflowing toilet and the three-year old and only at work, balancing aircraft...I can say THANK YOU! I was a bit concerned, because I have never tried to block. Thanks for helping me out.
Posted by: Trixie at February 24, 2006 03:21 PM
Awww! I love a cat who can look cute and evil at the same time!
Posted by: Peev e at February 24, 2006 03:40 PM
Hey, I think I just might have another joining tip that hasn't been mentioned yet!
CO an extra stitch. When you join your circle, bring the last stitch over the first stitch like a noose (sort of like a Slip one, Knit one, Pass Slipped Stitch Over), and pull on the tail to tighten it up. This only works if you use a non-long-tail cast on, I think. Or if you're funny like me and you do a long-tail cast on, then turn it backwards to join it up.
And another important tip I haven't read anywhere else: before you join in a circle, make sure your yarn is oriented correctly. In other words, if you're going to start with a knitted stitch, make sure you pull the working yarn behind the needle and have a clear path for it! Otherwise, your yarn ball will be stuck on the wrong side of your circ. Trust me, it's ugly and messy and annoying, and eventually you'll either try to shove your yarn ball through the center of your circular needle or you'll just frog the whole darned thing. Same goes for knitting in the round with DPNs. More so, in fact!
Purl, please tell us you watch ladies' figure skating on the Olympics. . . I'm not the only geek, am I?
;)
Helen
Posted by: Helen at February 24, 2006 03:41 PM
Helen,
You are not alone. My husband has recorded onto disk all the biathalon. Also, we have been totally hypnotized by CURLING! I'm threatening to move my family to Whitehorse, Yukon where I know there is a curling venue with a bar.
Posted by: Trixie at February 24, 2006 05:02 PM
You know, I really am begining to think you are crazy. But in an oh so addictive and utterly awesome way.
Posted by: Kestrel at February 24, 2006 05:11 PM
are you knitting a cat??
wassup with that ? yo ?
(internet friends are SO MUCH BETTER than men friends....cause they don't leave the toilet seat up...)
I'm just sayin is all....
Posted by: haji-o-matic at February 24, 2006 06:00 PM
What gorgeous cats you have. That Bob, so debonair...That Soba, so dainty yet so megalomaniacal... (I hope I spelled that right)
Posted by: Sue F. at February 24, 2006 06:03 PM
Yarn cake! (Did you coin that yourself or have I just not heard of it before...checking the stitchonary.) I "join" by having the first and last sts switch places (same as Margot).
Posted by: brooke at February 24, 2006 06:16 PM
I love to knit in the round!
Posted by: sfhulagirl at February 24, 2006 08:38 PM
1. I didn't read all of the comments first, so maybe you've been asked/told some of these things already. I'm just getting the apologizing out of the way first thing. Sorry.
2. Have you ever tried the Addi Naturas? The thing that gets me with the Clover circs is that the cable is so evil and stiff. The cable on the Addis is just wonderful, and I've never had to steam it to straighten it out, I just use them straight from the package. I'm all about doing things as simply as possible.
3. My tip for a smoother join is to cast on an additional stitch, move it to the left needle, and then the first thing you do is knit those two together. Also, the way you weave in your end can help minimize that jog - take it back over the gap, which will help to pull everything together.
Posted by: Emy at February 24, 2006 08:42 PM
ok, i carefully (yeah right) read through all the comments, and didn't find a join that i've used on occasion
cast on all your stitches. bring your yarn forward, like you're going to purl. pass the first stitch on the left needle to the right. bring the yarn to the back again. pass the stitch back to the left needle. knit as needed. it makes a very "tight" join, and isn't all that apparent. sound good?
Posted by: minnie at February 24, 2006 10:24 PM
Your hat 'recipe' is great, very clear and ez to read -- but the part that really saved me -- when I'd screwed up several times with other patterns...is your explanation of decreasing stitches. It finally made sense and I was able to whip up a great hat, instead of a lopsided stove pipes! Please put that in part deux!
Oh, and how do you keep the kitties from chomping the bamboo needles, or is that just a feline peculiarity around here?
Posted by: mizbeeswax at February 24, 2006 10:28 PM
Laurie
I'm a Bamboo girl myself, despite the fact that I have *hundreds* of metal needles (both straight and circs YO YO) inherited from my Grandma. And I bought a set of Denise interchangeables...but I'm afraid I just couldn't do plastic, no matter how much I tried. So I got rid of the Denises. And THEN!! I found the greatest, and possibly the CUTEST, little set of bamboo interchangeable circs!!! They totally rock and I truly don't know how I knit without them before. YOU GOTTA GET YOU SOME, YO! There are brand-name ones out there (called Bamboo Sisters I think made by Plymouth - over $100) OR you can buy "no-name" brand sets (which I got) ~ exactly the same~ and about $40. And the absolute best part? The whole set fits into a tiny case about 4X5 inches. It's soooooo tiny cute.
Posted by: Reenie at February 25, 2006 12:00 PM
I was never able to achieve a smooth join before I read this trick. I cast on an extra stitch. Then, I knit the first and last cast on stitches together. That's it.
I just finished knitting a wire bracelet in the round on dpns. I did not apply this trick as wire does not stretch. Anyway, pix of the process and the finished bracelet are on my blog.
Posted by: Grace at February 25, 2006 06:47 PM
I'm hoping that if this Pepto yarn does become a hat, that you'll give us another tutorial when you start decreasing and then especially when you switch to DPN's. That's the truly scary part for me.
Posted by: Mary from Virginia at February 26, 2006 09:24 AM
For what it's worth, two days later... I love my Addi Turbos with some yarn, and I love my Clover circulars with some yarn, and I don't even mind too much my aluminum Boye and Susan Bates needles, with some yarns. Those of you who like Boye, they have an interchangeable set like the Denise set. The best place to go for this is Hobby Lobby, because you can buy individual parts and see how you like it -- one set of points and a cable of whatever length you need.
Actually I love almost all my knitting needles, aluminum, steel, plastic, birch, ebony, bamboo, circular, straight, flex, dpn. I do not love the stiff cable on Boye needles, though it's OK once you get enough knitting on it to weight it down. I do not love aluminum dpns. I also do not love my one set of Lion Brand dpns (size 5, red plastic with rattly metal wire inside, I guess for strength). And I do not love my one set of Clover straight needles which keep splintering. I have some amazingly cute tiny pastel plastic circular needles by Clover, in weird Japanese sizes (beware, web sites claim these are US sizes, but they're not -- they're smaller) which so far I can't make work and so I don't love them yet, but maybe we'll get to like each other when I find the right project for them (socks?). But dang they're cute. (Does Clover make anything that's NOT cute?)
I love my Brittany Birch needles because I was able to sharpen up the points when I couldn't make them behave. This was when I was trying to knit Douceur et Soie on size 4 needles. Size 4 is a little big for this yarn, but it's too fuzzy to knit tightly and anyway I was making lace and wanted it loose. But the points just would not go under the yarn, so I filed them down sharper.
Posted by: sunflower at February 26, 2006 02:46 PM
ribbed hat?
i made the easy recipe in 20 or more steps... and loved it. and did it during the various olympic events. (either knit or start smoking again, is my motto)
so is there a ribbed recipe somewhere?
also - is there someone out there who can explain ssk, psso to me? please? (it was in another pattern... which i am almost ready to give up on because i don't exactly get it or what it's for.)
thanks!
Posted by: kathy in seattle at February 27, 2006 11:49 PM
I was going to email this but then I figured if I post it as a comment, someone might see it and correct any egregious errors. Because there probably are some. Sorry, Laurie, I'm cluttering up your space with overlong comments.
Kathy, does your pattern really have ssk, psso together? If so I think that might be an error, though I would not want to swear to it because I'm a relative novice.
The general purpose is a decrease. Ssk -- slip, slip, knit -- is like knit 2 together, except you slip a stitch knitwise to the right needle, then slip another one knitwise, then put both of them back on the left needle, and THEN you knit them together.
The business about slipping them first changes the way the stitches face. There is a reason for that -- see below.
The other thing you often see is s1, k1, psso. To do this, you slip one stitch to the right needle knitwise. Then you knit the next stitch on the left needle in the normal way. Then you take the stitch you previously slipped, which is now the next to last stitch on the right needle, and pull it over the stitch you just knitted and off the end of the needle, a lot like how you bind off. That's the psso -- "pass slipped stitch over."
Either way, you have decreased one stitch. The really magic part is that, according to my big knitting book, ssk and s1, k1, psso produce exactly the same result! So if you see one, you can use the other. I usually use ssk except when I have yarn that just doesn't cooperate with ssk because it's knitting up tightly or is bulky or something. Then s1, k1, psso may be easier to do.
The end result, in both cases, is that the decrease slants in a particular direction. Why do you care? Sometimes you don't, but if you are doing something where you have symmetrical shaping on opposite sides, and those lines of decreases will show, then you probably care. So knit 2 together slants one way and ssk (or s1, k1, psso) slants the other, so you might use them on the opposite sides of, say, a sweater.
So ssk, psso would not make sense, at least not to me. But there is surely some kind of decrease going on.
Posted by: sunflower at March 1, 2006 02:19 PM







